Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Is Iran Next?

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iran-next.jpgMany in the blogosphere have been asking... Is Iran Next?

In a word... Yes. The President all but said so in his "Axis of Evil" speech, and I am afraid, given the current state of affairs, that war with Iran, in one form or another, is inevitable. Is immediate action absolutely necessary? NO, we must go the route of diplomacy first, but we CANNOT shy away from war. This entire situation has very grave consequences, our failure to act, no matter what the reason, will haunt us into eternity.

Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Palestine, along with their agents in Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Queda, are all intimately connected through Radical Islam. This IS a holy war to them, and in their eyes they are doing Allah's will.

We are on the precipice, one might say, of World War Three, all the pieces are there, being laid out by several factions worldwide. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad fancies himself the ring leader of the righteous, and his saber rattling is almost inviting war. That alone gives me pause. One of two things is apparent, either he has no means to do anything, but desperately wants the world to think he does... or he is closer than we all think and is itching for an excuse to be a martyr for the cause. Both allude to an insane power play, that is all to common in that part of the world.

At the very least, I would never ignore or turn my back on him, but I would also keep awareness of my surroundings. Something tells me MUCH MORE is going on here than any of us realize... Much, much more...

But why are we in this position? For that I agree with a comment I found at Stop The ACLU...

LomaAlta
comments...
Yes, I believe war with Iran is inevitable. We tried it Jimmy Carter's way in 1979 and Khomeini showed the nature of radical Islam and the future of Iran by invading our embassy and holding our citizens hostage.

Now, one of the "students" from that incident is president of Iran, and like Hitler is announcing his plans. History has taught us two things: First, madmen usually try to follow up on their threats. And, it is easier to stop them earlier rather than later.

With history as our guide, the civilized West can stop Iran now with a few hundred to a few thousand deaths or face a nuclear showdown later with hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths.

No sane person wants war, but if war must come, we should try to win it this time as we did in WWII–destruction of the enemy's capacity to resist and unconditional surrender. As distressing as it is, I believe lesser measures will ultimately result in more deaths and destruction.
Weakness and capitulation only breeds boldness and aggressiveness in this part of the world. It is human nature to be barbaric, and it takes civilized and reasoned societies to rise above that, an action that the radical Islamists have failed to accomplish.

Matthew (Zaphriel) of Liberty Just In Case


I have been watching the events with Iran unfolding for some time. I remember well, our last go around with these folks, during the Iran Hostess crisis. It is true, this government can be barbaric as I recall.

I am not a person that goes the routes of war, not when there are other ways of promoting peace and compromise and diplomatic routes.

However, as the rhetoric out of Iran has increased.. my stance has turned more to a guarded eye.

While I feel that we have stuck our nose in and sought to tell another nation what it can and cannot do, even though we are ourselves do and have the same nuclear capability.. I see that they are doing nothing on their end to meet at the table of compromise.. not only has their new leader, walked away from the table recently - he is in the process of overturning it all together.

As a Christian.. we are told to not be afraid of "wars and rumors of wars"we are, in short NOT TO LOSE OUR PEACE.. due to these things.. it is hard not to do so, when so much is in on the line! But.. it wasn’t a suggestion that Christ made, folks.. it was an order.. DO NOT be afraid..

Okay.. so laying the fear to rest.. what now?
I think it is in the duty of every American family to do two things now: unafraid at that..

1. Prepare your homes for another world conflict.. get that pantry ready as you've been planning on doing, take the time to read the emergency preparedeness information that is out there.. it is better to have both and not need them then to need them and not have them!

2. Pray for a defusing of the situation. Pray for the leaders of this nation and for the leader and people’s hearts of Iran. If the leaders heart will not turn.. pray that he loses his base of "people" that will support it. Pray that if the entire nation will not be softened and meet again at the table of the peace-making process.. that if military action is warranted and necessary that it be swift, sure and complete.

Pray for our Nation's leaders that they will be in good wisdom at this very critical time.

Above all things, I guess my comment here is "Do not be afraid..." Be prepared.. be wise.. be ready.. be at prayer.. but do not be afraid.

Nariel of Ancient Eyes for Current Times


This nation has been at war since 9/11/01. On September 20th, 2001, President Bush laid out the initial framework of that war:
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. (Applause.)

Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.)
"...every government that supports them." The applause was universal and united then. He continued:

Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.

These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us, because we stand in their way.

They hate our freedoms. Including our freedom to publish cartoons without fear of beheadings, riots, and bloodshed. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. In fact, the new Iranian President has said clearly he wants to drive Israel in to the sea. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of Africa and Asia. Anybody heard of the genocide in Dharfur lately?

The terrorists hope that America grows fearful, retreating, forsaking our friends. Right up to and including leaving the Iraqi Front, and using Murtha's "over the horizon" strike force.

The President continued to gaze in to the future:

Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will direct every resource at our command -- every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war -- to the disruption and to the defeat of the global terror network.

This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

Every resource at our command. Including listening to terrorist operatives making and recieving calls from outside this country. Every resource. That's what total war is. A committment to use every resource to achieve total victory. What does all this have to do with Iran? Read the last sentences again, especially the Applause lines:
And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.
Any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism. You are with us, or you are with the terrorists. Congress applauded, Democrats and Republicans, right and left, applauded. If you heard that speech, given a few weeks after the Towers fell, the chances are very good that YOU applauded.

President Bush has never stepped back from these words. The United States followed those words in to Afghanistan. We followed those words in to Iraq. And we've followed those words to a thousand other undisclosed places of this war, from the jungles of Indonesia and Columbia to the secure vaults of banks in New York and Switzerland.

And now, with the coming of a nuclear Iran, seedbed of terrorism for over 30 years, we will follow those words again.

As President Bush spoke, the acrid fumes continued to pour from Ground Zero. The Pentagon continued to smolder, and the story of Flight 93 was just beginning to be known. The letters containing anthrax were in the mail, and the coming attack on Los Angeles was in its final stages.

President Bush ended his speech with these words:

I will not forget this wound to our country or those who inflicted it. I will not yield; I will not rest; I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people.

The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them. (Applause.)

Fellow citizens, we'll meet violence with patient justice -- assured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the United States of America.

These words ring as clear and true today as they did in that long ago time, when the wound to our hearts was fresh. And the choice set before the nations by our President remains. Iran, by her words and actions, has chosen sides. In our September 12th world, we must act before Iran attains nuclear weapons. Fear and cruelty would be magnified a million-fold should the mad mullahs of this terrorist nation achieve their goal. Freedom and justice will prevail...but only if we hold fast to the words spoken at the beginning of this long conflict. We must wage total war on the terrorist and the nations that harbor them. Only then can we attain total victory.

Mark of Liberty Just In Case


Zaph, I understand where you are coming from, definitely. This guy is a certifiable KOOK, after all. No doubt about it....

Or IS he?

What I want to know is, how well does this guy get along with Kim Jong-il, from North Korea anyway? After all, it wouldn't be the first time North Korea and Iran crawled into bed together, would it?

Doesn't this all sound familiar? Wasn't it just a few short months ago that we had a guy over in North Korea doing the same thing... just daring the United States and President George W. Bush to take a swing at him?

True, we cooled him down, continued our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and his voice disappeared largely. Then this guy from Iran starts piping up at a time when we are cash strapped and overstretched, militarily speaking... and the rhetoric sounds EXACTLY the same way the guy in North Korea's did... if I recall correctly.

Guys, I sure hope our Commander-In-Chief knows what he is doing this time, because it sure seems like the writing's on the wall to ME. It looks like a "sucker punch". A "rope a dope". A "two on one". It looks to me like this is about to kick up into a "2 against 1" situation and it is quite scary to me, frankly.

Because of this: if this IS the case... we cannot compete without a draft, a helluva lot more tax money, and a helluva lot more dead Americans.

Are we ready for it?

I do not see how it could be so.

Carl of The Gun-Toting Liberal


While the possibility certainly exists that we will end up at war with Iran, I don't believe that it is imminent (within say the next two years). Ahmadinejad is currently doing what all thugs and bullies do; he is rattling his sabers and beating his chest in a display designed to scare his foes. However, I do not think the fact Saddam's attempts to pose the same kind of bluff were called is lost on him.

It may be the case that he believes that the US's current commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq offer him cover and a cursory glance would certainly seem to back that position. Fortunately, this is not Iraq and the game has changed. The world (read Europe and the UN) will not rally against an attack against Iran.

In fact, it is Europe that is currently taking the lead against Iran. Though their resolve has yet to be tested, Europe is certainly starting to wake up to the reality of what radical Islam is all about. Since 9/11 Europe has repeatedly been the victim of its own policies of appeasement. Spain, the UK, France and the Netherlands have all had blood spilled at the hands of those looking to impose Sharia on the entire world. Though I am certainly not ready to bet my continued existence on this earth on the spine of Europe, I firmly believe they will offer no cover for Iran in this matter, and would likely comprise a significant portion of any war effort against Iran.

In addition, Ahmadinejad knows that it is only the US and Europe that stand between him and Israel. If Europe did not stand in the way, Israel will be free to protect their interests as they saw fit. While Iran may talk tough, I believe they know full well the consequences of Israel being unleashed. Perhaps this is what Ahmadinejad wants. Such action by Israel would certainly not play well in the Muslim world and could possibly lead to a World War III, as Zaph has suggested. I just don't see it though. I think that most governments in the Middle East are well aware of the sweetheart deal they have going and would be reticent to follow in Saddam's footsteps by engaging in a war they know they could not win. Russia has provided Iran with an out and my guess is that once it is obvious that Iran will not receive cover from the usual suspects, there will be great pressure within the Muslim nations to press Iran into accepting the deal.

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